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Post by Saas Ko'sah on May 29, 2020 20:04:09 GMT -5
How do you feel about the item you managed to steal?
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Post by Urbosa on May 29, 2020 20:15:17 GMT -5
More or less ambivalent? It opens up options this round or next, and it's definitely nice to know Kohga was likely sitting on this and I was one of the last to know, but I had hoped to find a full idol I could use next round that didn't take away my vote.
It is what it is, though. The unadulterated rage people have already directed at me proves my gut was right in assuming Epona was the target. They are going to have to scramble. I knew it was going to lead to fall out, but I was essentially damned if I let Epona go and damned if I didn't use the items.
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Post by Urbosa on May 30, 2020 11:44:57 GMT -5
i think people are upset that you reset the tribal timer again and people are stressed at this point and the antics are wearing people thin. kohga's on the verge of just quitting the fucking game at this point because he's just over it, it was a brutal round (like every round this game) so extending it is just actually making people miserable and wanting it to just be over at this point. you already had a fighting chance moving forward, we all know you have an idol for final 5 even if by some miracle you don't win immunity. then after f5 it's just open season. freezing epona did nothing to give you a fighting chance, it just kept the chances exactly the same? if anything it decreased your chances bc people seem to really pissed off about having timer reset and also you saved the biggest social threat to win the game. like you wipe the floor with everyone left in the game EXCEPT epona, where she probably beats you, at least based on jury intel and most people's views on the game thus far. so im just confused. i definitely preferred the first half of chromatica to the back half, though sine from above was absolutely terrific. Understandable on the tribal timer, but I'm not quite sure what you mean as far as "antics." Kohga has an arrow to take someone out of an immunity challenge. Oaki had an item that would reveal the vote before resetting it. I have no doubt you reached out to let him know votes were going his way hoping he played that item or SOMETHING to disrupt the vote. You had a Legacy Advantage, an idol, an advantage to guarantee both you and Revali safety, and an extra vote. I'm sure no one was — or would be "worn thin" in those situations so long as the items played benefitted them. Put simply, people are stressed here because the consensus option was removed from the equation, and now people have to adjust their calculus. We were thrust into a crazy game. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the twists or the saturation of items, but I'm also not going to apologize for making moves within the framework that was provided. And I agree with you on Chromatica. I'm going to have to listen to it a few more times before I get a good sense of things — I tend to feel a bit lukewarm on music until I have it on repeat for a while. Future Nostalgia was a notable exception to that rule, though, so 10/10 would recommend that if you haven't already listened
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Post by Urbosa on May 30, 2020 12:01:19 GMT -5
For all those reading now or after the game: I understand. I understand your frustrations that I've gone on a winning streak. I understand you are frustrated I have items at my disposal. I understand. What I am not going to apologize for, though, is having to adapt my game to meet twists and turns in my own way. I am FULLY aware my social game has suffered because no one is interested in working together — my closest allies in the game post-merge, Revali and Oven, both felt estranged because of my wins. Does that mean I should throw, putting myself at risk so other people can win safety and vote me out in the process? Immunity with Mipha gave me leverage to force a tie and eliminate Kass. Immunity here allowed me to shake things up in a way that has aggravated people because they wanted Epona gone so they could seize absolute control. I refuse to apologize for giving it my all on the challenge front, especially after it became evident I'd reached the point of no return: Win and survive, or lose and get voted by an overwhelming majority.
Upset I have items? I implemented a strategy that round to maximize my chances of getting items, and it WORKED. No one seemed to complain when they were being given items from other people because of their social prowess. Why should I have to diminish my own accomplishments on the strategic front? You are angry because the past few rounds have disrupted your pristine resumes and casual stroll to the end. YOU misplayed your items, not me. You could have had security here, but I worked around those pitfalls to open up the game. I bucked against the dominant power dynamic again and again, so I knew to expect derision. But this is just ridiculous.
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Post by Urbosa on May 30, 2020 19:51:40 GMT -5
Q: Do I need to fill out the survey if I know Kohga is using his arrow on me? That isn't me being dramatic — he told me he was doing so.
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Post by King Hyrule on May 30, 2020 19:56:49 GMT -5
We cannot confirm nor deny things and thus we always ask you to do the form
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Post by Urbosa on May 30, 2020 20:00:07 GMT -5
As you wish, my king.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on May 30, 2020 23:08:20 GMT -5
Saas’ Saasy Solicitations
Hi again, Saas here! That was an intense and long final six, but you made it through! As a reward for making it to the final five, you get some more questions!
1. Sidon had some choice words for you all on the way out. What do you make of what he said? Did he open your eyes to anything? Was what he said true? Who do you feel is most likely to get his Jury vote?
2. How do you feel about shooting Epona with the ice arrow and stealing Khoga's half idol last round? What do you make of the other players' reactions to those unexpected events? Do you think these events were a net positive or net negative for your odds of winning?
3. This is the last round many idols and items can be played. How does that change the dynamic and your approach to the round?
4. There’s been a lot of speculation about the final Immunity challenge. Do you have any predictions about what it might be? Do these predictions factor into your decisions this round at all?
5. Which other player besides yourself would you least like to see eliminated this round, and how are you going to ensure that that doesn’t happen?
That's all for now! We're in the home stretch, so your decisions are more important than ever! Good luck, and try not to lose!
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Post by Urbosa on May 30, 2020 23:12:23 GMT -5
I guess the official notice of me being sidelined was a summons to another Tribal Council? Kohga winning here isn't great, but good for him. Now, the decision becomes one of jury management and calculated risks. No one knows I have the nullifier, and no one will if I'm able to map out votes and plan an elimination while not having a vote of my own to cast. I still have Urbosa's Fury that can help, and this is the last round I will be able to block a vote as well. I have to try anticipating who Kohga would prefer to save between Mipha and Revali. I also need to decide if it is worth the risk to take Epona to F4. Her argument to me has already been: "Well, Kohga, Revali, and Mipha have an alliance to go to Final Three." That's great, but I don't factor into any FTC if I don't win immunity. Do I bring Epona as planned, hoping whoever is left finds her social game to be more threatening than my apparent dumpster fire of a showing? I think that plan was predicated on Mipha and Revali having to make the decision, not Kohga and someone else. On the flip side of the coin, do I send someone like Revali to the Jury, where he would hopefully be a voice on my behalf among a group that likely despises me? Would he explain how my reads of Tribals kept him safe? How I forced a tie the round Kass left and then proceeded to force Sidon's allies to turn on him because they had no other options? Would Oven then build off that, letting everyone know I passed him the fire arrow to guarantee Kohga, Sidon, or Epona would have paid the price if we went to rocks? I really don't know. Either way, none of that matters if I don't get to make a case in front of the Jury.
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Post by Urbosa on May 30, 2020 23:12:54 GMT -5
Simul-posted you, Saas! Sorry. I'll respond in full in just a moment.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on May 30, 2020 23:14:18 GMT -5
You're all good, take your time <3
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Post by Urbosa on May 30, 2020 23:52:53 GMT -5
I think it speaks volumes to his character, but what he said publicly pales in comparison to the venom he directed at players via PM. When he was in a position of power and security, he was pleasant and entertaining; however, the slightest inconveniences in his game sent him into a rage, so I'm not too sad to see him on the Jury for personal and strategic reasons. At the very least, legitimized doubts I had about my own game. I don't necessarily agree with his assessment, though — he may not find the moves I've made to be viable, but that's because they were all made at his expense. I used my immunities to leverage the elimination of Oaki (a not-so-secret partner in crime to Sidon); initiate reconciliation with Mipha, which then allowed me to force a tie that (1) led to Kass' elimination but also (2) would have seen Sidon, Epona, or Kohga leave if it went to rocks; and, most recently, position me to disrupt the game by freezing Epona so that the remaining voting bloc would have to turn on themselves, and I maneuvered that vote onto Sidon. If that isn't playing Survivor, then I guess I should have given up rounds ago.
His vote likely goes to Epona or Mipha if they are sitting at the end.
I think I've gone into this a bit already. Ultimately, removing Epona from the equation helped me neutralize Sidon. Stealing the half idol gives me options this round as well. People have been frustrated with me for rounds because of the immunity wins and, before that, were finding excuses everywhere to paint me as the specter of the game. Every round I've stayed in has been a negative for all involved — myself included — but I think I was able to have meaningful conversations with Kohga, Revali, and Mipha during and after the vote concluded. I don't necessarily think that would sway any of them to voting for me in the end, but I also think it did help a bit to establish some common ground after commandeering that vote.
I honestly feel like I am deciding who wins the game here. It isn't going to be me, so who do I want to cede my spot to? Epona? Kohga? I'm not sure. No one knows I have the idol nullifier, but I also won't be able to direct votes in a particular direction without divulging that information — not when I will be without a vote myself. That said, does playing another wave of items further sink my chances at the end? Did I have a realistic shot anyway? I'm not sure I did, not when my perception in the game has been: "Well, she coasted on wins."
Revali has been the only person to suggest otherwise.
Essentially, if I give my half idol to Epona, then that can be misconstrued as the bi-product of her social game. Me using the Freeze Arrow on her of my own volition last round will also be viewed similarly despite me not giving much indication I was doing so. I just need to weigh my options. Anyone but Kohga winning here would have been ideal, but alas.
The majority of players seem to think rupee count will factor into the next challenge. I don't prescribe to that (simply because I am in last place on the rupee count), but it is always a possibility. Like I said, I watched my chance to win evaporate the past few rounds. I'm just fighting to see how far I can get at this rate, but if I make it to the FTC I fully expect to be raked over coals for being a piece of trash.
I would have said Revali, but I really don't know if keeping him hurts me more than sending him to the Jury. Between him and Oven, there might yet be a chance to paint a clearer picture of what I've actually done.
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Post by Urbosa on May 31, 2020 21:56:06 GMT -5
Q: Is there a world in which I go to the end with Kohga and Epona, and both take enough Jury votes from the other that I manage to pull out a win?
I don't think so, but I've been trying to turn over all possible scenarios here.
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Post by Impa on May 31, 2020 22:00:22 GMT -5
What do your scenarios look like so far? Who is in them? Who isn't?
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Post by Urbosa on May 31, 2020 22:21:36 GMT -5
All these scenarios are predicated on the assumption of a F3 FTC. We could end up seeing a F4 FTC where I lose handily, or a F3 or F2 where I might have somewhat better odds. In any instance, Kohga was my target this round, so him winning immunity greatly altered my considerations:
• Keeping Epona both increases my chances of winning F4 Immunity and increases my chances of surviving were I to not win. If players see them as the larger threat — especially after Sidon called my game worthless — then that may at least give me an opening to make it through. On the flip side of the coin, Epona is Epona. They have played a great social game, though I have the receipts lined up to counter some of their strategic claims: I worked feverishly to drive a wedge between Epona and Royal White Horse and, ultimately, delivered the killing blow by revealing Horse's plan to assemble a group of Horse/Hunnie/Oven/Patricia/Oaki. That only came through my social game and my relationship with Hunnie. There may have been stirrings of wanting to get Horse out before that, but I made the risk of keeping him in feel imminent.
• Keeping Revali offers me the argument of remaining loyal to those who were loyal to me. Kass, Sidon, and Kohga all entertained plans of cutting me loose, and had I not correctly made the first move on that front, then I would not be here. I appealed to Revali from a logical position back on Heart Container: He felt alone in the game, and I gave him an option for collaboration, fostered trust by guiding him away from a Mipha vote the round she misplayed her idol (and again doing that when the votes shifted to Oaki) and then engineered a tie to save him the round Kass went out.
• Mipha offers a narrative of redemption both for the both of us. She is threatening BECAUSE she returned to the game and clawed her way out of a bad position, but she also offers me a chance to incorporate aspects of what I assumed Sidon's final argument would have been: Mipha and I parted on rocky terms, reunited, had an antagonistic relationship for a few rounds, but then ultimately set aside our differences to ensure our own survival. I am fully aware she leaked information the entire time, but at the end of the day I was able to convince her to take the leap and vote for Kass. On the negative side, I believe sitting next to her at the end potentially risks drawing votes away from me that could otherwise be up in the air — Riju, Link, Oven, Hunnie, etc. There's a good chance she is eliminated and bitterly argues against my being deserving of a win, too, but that is likely nothing new at this point with Kass and Sidon reunited.
Originally, my ideal F3 was Mipha/Revali/Urbosa, but now I wonder if Kohga/Revali/Urbosa may be better for me. I've lost Kass, Sidon, Oaki, and Epona in this situation, but I potentially gain Royal White Horse, Link, Riju, Mipha, Oven, Hunnie. Patricia, Magda, Teebo, and Pelison are all toss-ups.
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