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Post by Korgu Chideh on May 21, 2020 18:19:32 GMT -5
I'll give a full explanation when I'm not juggling work and a complex vote. Thanks <3 your employer is likely in breach of labor laws for making you work a 21-hour shift
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Post by Urbosa on May 21, 2020 20:50:10 GMT -5
Abridged version of the last 24 hours: • Upon winning immunity, I received a PM from Oaki suggesting he, Mipha, and Oven would be open to a Kass vote. I played coy for a bit, asking if he really though there would be enough support for that (but all the while knowing we could have the numbers since Revali and I both wanted to make a move on Kass). He said he believed there could be, so instead of deflecting or stonewalling I decided to commit myself to the cause — since, you know, the stars aligning with me having immunity and potential numbers to execute the plan wouldn't likely come around again anytime soon. No less than 15 minutes after responding in the affirmative, I get the following messages: hi. are you targeting kass? straight up just tell me, if youre wanting to make a move i would be open to talking about it with you. im trying to confirm bc im not sure if everything is just oaki being oaki or if it's something you seriously want to do. Urbosa, Oaki is saying you are targeting Kass. Are you actually doing that because Sidon wants to know, or rather what do you want me to tell Sidon. What is Oaki saying to you right now? Fucking. Oaki. I'm not quite sure why I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it was because I assumed it would be mutually beneficial to the both of us to neutralize Kass. Maybe because I was ready to jump at the opportunity to make the move and work with people who felt ostracized or on the bottom. I thought Robbie's self-destruction was astonishing, but I have NEVER seen a player work so counter to his own interests for the mere sake of breeding chaos and paranoia. We could have both been standing here right now having come together to eliminate a common enemy, but instead he tried to garner trust and tossed it away heartbeats after. He's truly one of a kind. From there, the correspondence across the board became a game of explanation with half truths and deflection. I wanted to take extra pains to ensure Revali wasn't also implicated in the plot to oust Kass (more on the alliance with Oven and Revali momentarily), but at the same time I'm well aware that perception is ultimately reality. Kass and I may pass cordial messages back and forth, but there is not a doubt in my mind that he is coming for me and that he is well aware I would take him out as soon as I could. And important thing to note here as well: Sidon seemed absolutely stunned that I would have suspicions of Kass, or that I would feel potentially on the outs after the rankings, tribal division, Hunnie vote, etc. Cut the shit, my prince. We both know you and Kass are likely conspiring to use me as a number to eliminate returnees that don't benefit your game before trying to give me the boot. I have more ire for Sidon coming shortly. • As players were able to "compare notes," people ultimately concluded (at least via PM) that Oaki was simply up to his standard tricks — the same antics that got him eliminated in Stamina and the move he tried to pull when pitting Revali and Hunnie against one another. At the stage of the game, though, people are simply looking for reasons to put a target in the hot seat, so, again, I have no illusions that players such as Kass, Sidon, and Mipha will work to capitalize on this. • Once the dust settled a bit, the conversation transitioned back to a plan for the round. As stated earlier, my goal was to pit Kass and Mipha against one another, thereby forcing items into play and taking out one of two immediate threats to my game. Ultimately, the focus shifted off Kass and fell to Oaki, Oven, and Mipha. It was as if a golden apple of discord had been placed between the non-resurrected players. Epona wanted to eliminate Oaki; Kohga wanted to spare Oaki; Sidon did not want Mipha on the table: ive been pretty frank with people that i dont have an interest in mipha going out here. i dont think it helps my game at all, but it seems that a lot of people dont want to do oven, which takes him off the table. a ton of people have said mipha to me, and like, if that's where it's going, i don't have much of a choice. there's not much of a relationship there for me to save. i think my gushy soft heart just feels like shit if mipha goes home IMMEDIATELY after getting back in the game, meanwhile oaki and oven got to skate by for several rounds. Everything made sense to me after this response. Kass, Sidon, and Kohga were okay with leaving me in the game so long as I helped them get rid of players like Oven who stood in their way. What's more, the fact that Sidon is so bold as to assert what is good for HIS game — not what is good for the Kakariko Three or Calamity Four — really underpins his strategy moving forward: He wanted to get to the end with Oaki and Mipha so that he could likely argue he used his social prowess to turn former enemies into friends. He wanted Mipha round specifically to keep other power players like Epona on their toes, forcing mistakes while he straddled the fence to see which faction would maintain strength. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, but Sidon's might look best under the gleam of a guillotine sooner rather than later.
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Post by Urbosa on May 21, 2020 20:56:33 GMT -5
• As the conversations continued today, each player laying out their argument for keeping or eliminating one of the resurrected players, Epona sends me this: Yo they're spinning this into "urbo and revali love oven so much its dangerous" and trying to make an oven vote supposedly without telling either of you. Can we split the difference and settle on an Oaki vote? That way you're not seen to be stubborn about forcing it to be Mipha. I think Kohga is the only one didn't really want to see Oaki get votes and he's not gonna die on that hill. This frustrates me to no end. The "they" in this case is no doubt Sidon, Kass, and Kohga. We've already established how Sidon feels about Mipha — he unabashedly refused to entertain the idea of eliminating her. Are Sidon/Mipha deemed to be dangerous because they are close? No. Let us not also forget that Kass is the only person within the former alliance to (1) pass an item to an ally not within the group and to (2) tip that same person off to a vote so they could play an idol. Either one of these scenarios could have resulted in Epona, Kohga, Sidon, Revali, et. al, unexpectedly getting eliminated, but NO ONE seems to mind. When I argue to keep Oven over Oaki (who has dragged my name through the mud and openly campaigned against Kass) or Mipha (who has tried turning Epona and I against each other, suggested Sidon, Kass, and Epona are threats, etc.), I'm suddenly "too close" to someone outside the group for comfort? Give me a fucking break. Can someone die from an excess of hypocrisy?
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Post by Urbosa on May 21, 2020 21:06:24 GMT -5
• Ultimately, Sidon and Epona both proposed the idea of splitting the vote, or otherwise letting the group vote for whomever they wished to eliminate. I agreed to this in conversations, but I was VERY wary of the potential for a 3 v 3 v 3 split. Sidon has an extra vote, so him angling to get an even vote distribution would have opened the Tribal Council up for him to use his extra vote to eliminate Oven and to keep both Oaki and Mipha in his pockets.
I wasn't going to let that happen.
Originally, my plan was to steer any kind of split squarely onto Oaki and Mipha with an emphasis on Mipha to flush any idol. I was also prepared to both use Urbosa's Fury on Oven and to block someone's vote to ensure a smaller group of me, Oven, Revali, and potentially one of Epona or Kohga could decide the round. Then things seemed to split cleanly for Oaki and Mipha. Then momentum shifted:
The "Mipha is upset" was all I needed to see to either conclude Oven tipped Mipha off that he (and Kohga, Revali, and I) intended to vote for her or that someone else had told her the "whispers" of her name being circulated were more like deafening roars. I immediately told Revali to change his vote and let Kohga know that, though I didn't want to follow suit, people were jumping ship to vote Oaki. I didn't want to run the risk of us getting caught holding the grenades if Mipha played an idol. In hindsight, had we stuck to the plan she would no longer be in the game, though.
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Post by Urbosa on May 21, 2020 21:11:12 GMT -5
In conclusion, Guides and Spectators, it has been an involved round. My priority first and foremost is going to be to engage with my fellow competitors and commit my attention to the game at hand. My second focus is on my job. If I am unable to answer your queries in a timely fashion, then please be respectful of that — I appreciate that you are all invested in my actions and thoughts, but at the same time I have no doubt you have a full grasp of how hectic and stressful that last Tribal was. Snide remarks tossed my way (or any players' direction) because we are concentrating on more pressing issues aren't necessary. It may be easy to see us all as spokes on a wheel that will spin until the final vote for your personal amusement and analysis, but please remember we are all people dealing with very real stressors within and outside of this game.
*Steps off soap box*
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Korgu Chideh
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Post by Korgu Chideh on May 21, 2020 22:51:37 GMT -5
you're right and i'm sorry for pushing you. it was wrong of me to pressure you in that way and i won't do it again.
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Post by Urbosa on May 21, 2020 22:57:22 GMT -5
you're right and i'm sorry for pushing you. it was wrong of me to pressure you in that way and i won't do it again. There's no need to apologize. Just know that if I don't respond immediately to queries in my Confessional I will once I have time to actually collect my thoughts. I'd much rather give substantive insights and opinions that can actually help round out the picture, but I can't and won't be able to do that at the drop of the hat depending on what is going on in the game or elsewhere.
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Post by Urbosa on May 22, 2020 14:57:22 GMT -5
Cool so this is where Mipha intentionally bombs to ensure I can't win immunity.
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Post by Urbosa on May 22, 2020 16:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by Urbosa on May 22, 2020 16:04:23 GMT -5
Here, we see if I can take a moment of weakness and strategic/emotional honesty and turn it into something that will mutually benefit both me and Kohga.
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Post by Urbosa on May 22, 2020 20:20:29 GMT -5
This seems easily solved by you commenting to KohgaDude that the vote suddenly changed and you didn't want it to though. I agree with your commentary about talking to walls. I mean, marginalizing the three of us benefits the people who should actually be targetted so why wouldn't they? If DesignateMipha goes along with that, thinking that we were after her. It causes us problems. So we need someone to change their mind here. Oh I'd rather keep it. I sent it to you in case something Oakily happened to me. Luckily it seems like I'm here in health after all. You mean to say if I tell someone the truth in this game they will automatically believe me and everything is A-OK after that? Why didn't I think of that sooner?
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Post by Urbosa on May 22, 2020 21:07:49 GMT -5
I'm trying to turn things around, guys. I'm just trying to take it PM by PM at this point.
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Post by Urbosa on May 22, 2020 21:25:10 GMT -5
Oh yeah, no I can't go to the end with Sidon. Any positive traits of our relationship just get pinned on him being the better half and I get devoured by the jury, regardless of whether it was me or him leading any individual move. He's the best player in the game, but he also knows that he was not included in most peoples end game plans by the survey, as such I can have his ear for a round or two. If he feels he's on the outs of plans he might even be willing to cut Kass, hell he specifically seemed cool with it when he heard you were thinking about it. I'll tell you what he says freely though, it's a dangerous game. For the record, Khoga was the ONLY person who didn't want Oaki to go and just flipped because he felt the momentum, he absolutely feels on the outs after that last vote so just buddy up to him a bit more if possible. Oven and Mipha will vote for survival, if we can promise them that we have the votes. We need to roadmap our kills in order to ensure the balance is kept toward the end. I do agree that precise is a better word though. Taking out Kass here seems like the best move we can make, though I am curious if there is something better. Though they may be immune so like, we may just have to find another option. Is there a way for me to make a move on Sidon this round? I know Revali at least says he realizes he'll need to cut the prince before the end, but would he be willing to make that move now? If so, I think Oven would be on board. Could I get someone else? I might not need to if I could anticipate where the votes were falling, use Urbosa's Fury, and potentially block a vote. The fallout would leave me in a bad spot with Kohga, Kass, and Epona, but it also frees up Oven to work his magic on Mipha who would no longer have her fellow Zora.
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Post by Urbosa on May 22, 2020 21:43:01 GMT -5
In other news, Mipha doesn't seem to overtly be trying to tank our chances at safety. Hopefully she feels like she needs immunity just as much as I do. I'm going to try to use this time to mend things if at all possible. Nothing says opportunity like mutually assured destruction if we don't win.
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Post by Urbosa on May 23, 2020 10:03:07 GMT -5
POTENTIAL PLAY
- Contingent on winning Individual Immunity -
If Mipha and I are both immune, that leaves the following players as options:
Ancient Oven Epona Kass Master Kohga Prince Sidon Revali
In this lineup, the overwhelming consensus will be Oven. That's a given, and nearly everyone except Revali and I seem to be in agreement there. But what if Ancient Oven is also off the table? If I used the Ice Arrow to remove Oven from the conversation, the only person who would know I used it would (at least initially) be Oven. More on that later. Without Oven in the mix, this forces Sidon's hand a bit sooner than usual: He is going to have to determine which of his best friends to target, thereby solidifying his pecking order earlier than expected. By extension, this also forces everyone else to either fall in line with Sidon's plan or to fight back against that, realizing they are not as secure as they originally thought.
This maximizes the chances of Sidon either using his double vote to keep control of the Tribal Council, thereby trying to make a move on him with Revali's Gale (I'm going to look REALLY dumb when it nets me nothing after all of this), and potentially prompts other people to play their items to ensure their safety.
POTENTIAL SET-BACKS
• Ancient Oven. I love him, but he can't keep a secret to literally save his life. If I eject him from the vote only to have him return after the next challenge and reveal I went out of my way to protect him, then that essentially guarantees everyone turns against me from that point on unless they feel relieved to have the truth of Sidon's deception out in the open. Not likely.
• Revali. If I save Oven, does that shift the target to Revali? He told me about his own arrow last round so I'd like to think he would have clued me in if he had an idol of his own to defend himself. If a flurry of idols come out during this vote and he isn't immune, then that means he could likely get the boot if we can't get on the same page as far as a target is concerned.
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