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Post by Urbosa on May 23, 2020 11:17:37 GMT -5
I think I've said all I can say to Kass and Kohga on my "Urbosa: Heart to Heart Tour." I just don't know if either of them are willing to believe me.
Kass and Kohga: If you are reading this in the postgame, I meant every word I said.
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Post by Urbosa on May 23, 2020 11:27:10 GMT -5
Building off earlier plan: I've come to the conclusion that I would rather make big moves and fall short of the FTC than keep the peace and have no respect among the Jury if I made it to the end.
That seems fairly obvious, but I've been so in my head lately about playing every move carefully to maximize my options moving forward, but doing so has forced me into a corner. If I'm at the bottom, then I'm at least going to try dismantling the power structure to make things less of a foregone conclusion at the end.
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Post by Urbosa on May 23, 2020 11:51:35 GMT -5
Okay. Okay. Okay. We can do this. I can't fuck this up.
Things that might overlap with Zelda, Nintendo, or Survivor:
• Tanning, Pouch
Prioritizing Pouch: - Lotion - Satchel - Bronze - Inventory (doesn't quite fit with tanning)
Tanning — the act, the color? - Bronze - Burnished - Leather. Like, leather bag. Leathery skin from tanning (WELCOME TO FLORIDA)
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Post by Urbosa on May 23, 2020 11:55:46 GMT -5
I swear to Hylia if I mess this up for us I am going to implode.
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Post by Urbosa on May 23, 2020 12:05:00 GMT -5
Well, we did what we could. I really just hope it's enough.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on May 23, 2020 22:20:42 GMT -5
Saas’ Saasy Solicitations
Hello there again old friend! I’ve been a lazy Saas recently and have been neglecting my regular solicitations, but no more! I shall know your thoughts, and you shall tell me them.
1. Right now, we’re at final 8 and endgame is swiftly approaching. Who do you think needs to be sitting next to you in the final 2 or 3 in order for you to have a chance to win? Who do you think you definitely cannot be sitting next to, and who are you iffy about?
2. Post a tentative bootlist for the rest of the game. For each round, please include a brief description of what steps you need to take for that person to be eliminated at that time.
3. What alliances or deals do you think exist between the other players, and are any of these concerning to you? How will you play around them or to use them to your advantage?
4. At this point in time, if you lose the game, why do you think that will be? What are the biggest obstacles that stand in the way of you reigning victorious, both in the short-term and the long-term? What are you going to do to overcome them?
5. Based on your game so far, do you think the specs are rooting for you or rooting against you? Why? What moves do you think the specs want you to make, and are these moves you actually plan on making? Why or why not? How much do you think the specs are enjoying this game relative to other games?
Congratulations on making it this far, but don’t worry. There are plenty more opportunities to fail in spectacular fashion.
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Post by Urbosa on May 23, 2020 23:06:26 GMT -5
It's interesting. A few rounds ago I would have told you I was content in the knowledge I likely wouldn't be making it to the end of this game. I've increasingly played myself into a corner — I lost Link, couldn't save Mipha (only to have her return and blame me personally for her demise), ultimately couldn't trust Hunnie, and Oaki was happy to detonate his game and my own when we needed one another. Still, I somehow seem to be here. Immunities help, and the momentum has helped me try to shift my perspective a bit. I may not be able to beat either of them at the end, but I would truly like to see an Oven/Revali/Urbosa arrangement. We've each gone through so much on our individual journeys through this game, and together we have had to fight against some considerable odds and formidable opposition.
As it stands, I do not want to sit next to Mipha or Sidon.
I feel iffy on Kohga, for while he is personable and has endeared himself to nearly everyone in the group, I think he is content to straddle the fence for as long as possible until gauging which way the endgame winds are blowing. For someone who continually says he isn't the kind of player to leak information told to him in confidence, there is certainly A LOT of things I've told only him that have come back to me one way or another from other players. I'm not sure if a Jury will respect that at the end despite his general good standing.
F8: Sidon | We have been exchanging novel-length PMs most of the day in an effort to reach some sort of common ground. He initiated the conversation on the pretense that he'd heard from "people" that I considered him a shady mastermind (remember what I said about Kohga? This is a key piece of evidence. "Mastermind" was specifically his word) who was too close to Mipha for comfort. I was honest with him on an emotional level, but I also curated the responses to give him content he wanted to hear. I want him to think we are patching things over, but I also know if he gets to the end he can use this conversation as yet another feather in his cap — "I employed a charming social game to turn enemies into allies."
At the moment, the presumptive target is Oven. I get the sense that it isn't, though. People are itching to make a big move. To neutralize potential advantages and idols. Oven can make a good showing in front of the Jury, but he's also not an overt threat. Revali, however, is. Kohga made the mistake of telling me there was a faction willing to blindside Oven last round while pushing an Oaki vote publicly. I have a feeling they may be using Oven as a decoy this round to make a similar move.
My current plan is to have Revali and I do a tour of resignation. We understand the reasoning for needing to vote Oven, and we want to work with the group to show our loyalty. Revali has understandably pushed against this a bit — wanting to target Epona or Kass — which complicates things, but if Epona, Kass, and co., hear of this, then it is likely they'll want to put their votes on Revali anyway. Ultimately, the plan hinges on me being able to determine where the votes are falling. If Oven votes Sidon, Revali votes Oven, and everyone else votes Revali, then I can use the idol I have and Urbosa's Fury on Revali. This keeps him safe, and if Sidon votes with the group to get him out that would be a 2-1 vote with Sidon leaving.
I know I'm risking considerable fallout in the aftermath of a vote like that, but Revali has already demonstrated a propensity to float messages to Sidon. He is in a similar mindset to Kohga, acknowledging Sidon as a threat, but not someone who needs to be immediately dealt with. My fear is that, by tipping him off to a potential idol play, he slips to Sidon and everything goes to shit. I could change my mind on this as the deadline draws closer, but I plan to play this one close to the chest. At the very least, I can say I kept him out of it to ensure he wasn't implicated.
F7 Kass |
F6 Mipha |
F5 Epona | I don't know if I can make this move. I really don't. Epona and I have been close to some degree since Round 1.
F4 Kohga |
The rest of my pecking order is mostly just wishful thinking. Again, I think the fallout of a bold move like this will likely put me in a terrible spot, but it's the kind of precise move I need to make to have any sort of case should I get to the end. IF half the cast opts to try blindsiding Revali, then my hope is he sees I have his back. IF the group tries making a move here, then ultimately it is all of them that have betrayed my trust with a blindside attempt. It will be an interesting quagmire to navigate.
Sidon/Mipha/Kass
Epona/Kohga
Oven/Revali/Urbosa
There is likely some considerable overlap even within these generalized voting blocs. Kohga and Epona both have good relationships with Kass and Sidon; Revali and Oven both like Kohga; Revali openly talks about working with Sidon. I tried shaking some of these players into realizing that their games currently stand on the edge of a knife, but Kohga especially is content to bury his head in the sand because he has the luxury to do so.
At this stage in the game, I can't cede ground when it comes to allies. I need numbers on my side. I've said this before, but I've gotten into the mind frame that I'd rather make a few big moves that clear off the board a bit and fall short of reaching the finals than tip-toeing to FTC and having no shot in a Jury vote.
Anticipating the trajectory of the game but taking missteps to account for them or to combat those trends.
Mipha returning with a vendetta REALLY altered the calculus of my game. If Horse, Hunnie, Patricia, Link, etc., had returned, then I don't think I would have been a primary target for ire. I NEEDED desperately to get something going with Oaki, but if a player betrays your trust within 15 minutes of trying to make a plan, then that isn't sustainable. Trying to keep him was likely the optimal move there on paper (he was a number), but in actuality he was so erratic that, even if we had worked something out, he likely would have been unable to keep it under wraps.
I'm inclined to believe they either hold a neutral or negative opinion of me. I try to share my thoughts in an engaging way, but ultimately I think there are larger personalities that are far more likely to succeed in this game. I just don't really see myself as someone who necessarily warrants much attention or favorability. That kind of sucks to say out loud, but when comparing myself to the Kohgas, Sidons, and Miphas of the game with better arcs, I just don't see it. I had hoped to play a game that made everyone excited or even proud, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. Maybe I'll try again a century from now. =\
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Post by Urbosa on May 23, 2020 23:24:06 GMT -5
Side Thought: Is winning challenges to get to the end going to be a valid argument if I can spin it by saying I've incorporated elements of Power, Courage, and Wisdom to make it to the end? Do potential social and strategic elements diminish if I get to the end having held onto the immunity necklace so frequently? I'm not sure.
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Post by Urbosa on May 24, 2020 12:53:54 GMT -5
That is absolutely the case, and it's only a matter of time until whatever is churning beneath the surface rises up again. If I'm being completely honest here, I've wanted nothing more than to work with you and to get back to the place we were — or at least where I thought/hoped we were — before your elimination. I honestly saw us sitting in the finals together before Patricia's idol came out. I had to drastically alter my plans after that, as I didn't know who I could trust, but I did know that if I didn't act fast I would be joining you shortly after. I'm not sure if it is just me reading too much into things or internalizing my own struggles in the game, but I got the impression you preferred to keep me at arm's length or to otherwise have nothing to do with me once coming back. If that's the case, I completely understand. Please don't take that as an accusation either — I'm sure my inability to fully anticipate what was happening or to help in your hour of need really hurt. I'll be sorry for that for the rest of this game regardless of the outcome. If those feelings have changed — or weren't there to begin with and only a faulty read on my end — then maybe this is the moment we can truly take on the game together when no one expects us to? I felt a spark of hope during the challenge that we might be in a good place again or, at the very least, on the path back to that place. Talks like this, of making big moves, really make me want to take that leap again. That said, if Revali backed off of Epona, then would you potentially be open to Kass? For real this time without Oaki here to shout the idea from the rooftops? I want to be able to just vote with you... to trust you have my best interest at heart but it has been hard to. We don't have results that show you have ever really been there for me and I have had a hard time internalizing that. I keep running to you over and over because I like our connection but then I get reminded that, outside of Karson, we have yet to be on the same page. Supporting you through merge was everything to me and I trusted you but.... well... I don't have any proof anymore that you trust me or even care about me. You explained your reasoning when I was eliminated and I respected that. I'm not targeting you or upset about it but I also didn't want to give you another chance to leave me in the dark. Even the Link vote... I had no idea what you were going to do and ended up just assuming you would vote Horse because it showed you cared for me and there was no harm in it. Who would know that you did? But then it turned out you had switched your vote to Link.... that you did what you thought was safe and best for you. I can't fault you for these decisions. There is only one winner in this game after all but you should know the type of person I am before you want try to get to close. I jump on grenades. I sympathize and react to my teammates issues. I take action and often that action won't help me... I just... don't know how else to play. I'm reckless and it got me eliminated, maybe? I don't know for sure. I'll admit I'm not a good survivor player when it comes to logic but I know... I can be a good friend in this game and if I attach myself to someone I feel deserves it, then I'd do anything for them. Urbosa I'll work with you and reach the end with you but I don't wanna coast on the backs of redemption players with you. And everything you've said I can completely understand. To be honest, I thought we were pretty in sync during the Robbie vote as well — we just had no idea where the rest of the group stood until the votes came out. If I gave off the wrong impression there, then I want to apologize as well: I honestly felt like it was us against the world that round, and we happened to luck out that Robbie tanked his game before Link or Revali considered taking a shot at one of us. I do trust and care about you. I may have had my reservations about Patricia and that I would always take a backseat, but I operated with our collective well-being in the game in mind. Link's vote is one of my biggest regrets in this game — the numbers against him looked like an insurmountable wall, and I think I reasoned to myself that the best path forward for us was to be within the numbers. Still, that doesn't excuse the fact I didn't reach out and actually TALK to you about it. I definitely reached out to Link with my concerns there, but it wasn't my intent to keep you in the dark round after round. And that's the thing I have realized since Link's elimination and your elimination: Playing it safe is a great way to become the consensus vote or to make it to the end only to get raked over the coals by a Jury that doesn't respect you. I've spent so many rounds having to focus on simply surviving the vote — explaining why my ranking list didn't match up with what people thought, struggling to win immunities so I wouldn't be booted, etc. — that I didn't really feel I had room to maneuver when I was on the outs of very large, very dominant voting blocs. I don't want to coast either. I'd like to make a move and continue making moves that get us to the end. And my push to keep Oven in the past few rounds hasn't been so I could coast to the end with a Redemption player. I've seen him as my last opportunity to treat an ally the way an ally ought to be treated and championed for. Revali as well, I suppose, as he finds himself in an equally precarious spot it seems. I don't see a scenario in which I win this game, but I want to play until I am voted out or the final votes are read. It's killed me to have to keep my head down and hope for the best — I just started giving up on myself, I think. I'm ready to fight, though. I know you are close to Sidon, but you are right in your assessment (at least the assessment people have been crediting to you) that he, Epona, and Kass are the biggest threats in the endgame. Of the three, I think I feel most comfortable around Epona still and feel like Sidon and Kass both want me out as soon as possible. Would you be willing to entertain making a move on one of the three?
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Post by Urbosa on May 24, 2020 13:10:20 GMT -5
Not very subtle on my part, but maybe Sidon's crippling paranoia will cause him to at least consider playing an advantage.
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Post by Urbosa on May 24, 2020 14:42:10 GMT -5
So brief update to the plan:
Given the PMs with Mipha and her apparent commitment to NOT vote Oven, I quickly realized I couldn't send her a novella about wanting to work with her only to blindside Sidon here. I also didn't feel good about having Revali keep his vote on Oven, as that is a number we are going to need regardless. Instead, I floated Kass as a collective vote: Mipha doesn't like him. Oven doesn't like him. Revali doesn't like him. If I get any weird vibes from the group, I may still play the idol or, less extreme, the vote block to push through a 4-3 vote. I need to keep an eye on Sidon, though, as if he plays an idol for Kass (not very likely, but not impossible), I also need to have Oven on standby to nullify.
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Post by Urbosa on May 24, 2020 14:46:14 GMT -5
Sidon didn't vote me and actively tried to help me last round so I have no interest in pushing him this round. That doesn't mean he is my best bud or that I wouldn't vote him next round, it just means I would rather see people go who don't care about me then who do. Granted, that's probably why you are pushing Sidon because I don't know if he particularly likes you. The plus side is I at least trust Sidon to tell me if he wants to vote you while Kass or Epona, I'm not so sure. I need to capitalize on concessions when I get them here. In the short-term, it makes the most sense to target Sidon. But if I unilaterally move against him, sacrificing the idol in the process when I might not need to, I ultimately lose my chance to work with Mipha, and I am going to need her on my side after this round. IF the vote isn't Oven and Kass, Epona, Kohga, and Sidon vote Revali instead, that also means I have a case to make against THEM for leaving her out of the vote. I can't do that if I simultaneously blindside her.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on May 24, 2020 15:39:51 GMT -5
How do you think the votes are going to go down?
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Post by Urbosa on May 24, 2020 18:21:06 GMT -5
I originally thought, at worst, it would be me, Mipha, Oven, and Revali all voting Kass. Everyone else is either voting Oven or Kass, but Kohga reached out to say he had something to tell me but needed me to promise I wouldn't act on it or say anything if he told me. Obviously, I couldn't do that. I am inclined to think everyone else is voting Revali now, but Mipha has started retreating a bit. I don't know if I should play the idol on Revali or if a vote block or Urbosa's Fury would be enough.
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Post by Urbosa on May 24, 2020 19:03:43 GMT -5
I already regret not using the arrow. I hope it all turns out.
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