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Post by Zelda on May 31, 2020 22:34:18 GMT -5
If she nullifies Epona and piles the votes on with the vote blocker, I think that's honestly the smartest choice here. But it's a risk I'm not sure she knows she needs to take.
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Post by Impa on May 31, 2020 22:42:51 GMT -5
I do so love watching Urbosa think things through. Our Wisdom Queen <3
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 1, 2020 0:00:54 GMT -5
If she nullifies Epona and piles the votes on with the vote blocker, I think that's honestly the smartest choice here. But it's a risk I'm not sure she knows she needs to take. I don't know that I agree with you about that. It depends on how she does in a Jury vs Mipha compared to vs Kohga, and I think you're making a big leap in assuming that. Right now there are more pro-Mipha people than pro-Kohga people on the Jury. I agree with you that Kohga has played a better game than Mipha, but I'm not sure that will translate into more votes necessarily. I do have faith in him convincing them though. But if Epona goes, she essentially must win the next Immunity, unless she can convince Mipha and Revali that Kohga is a bigger threat than her which to be fair he probably is. I definitely don't think it's as cut-and-dry as you're making it out, but if she definitely loses to Kohga and beats Mipha, then yeah she needs Epona gone. Revali going is horrible for her in all universes, and she should not allow it to happen, but it seems like it might, which is just weird to me. She should maybe half-idol Revali and nullify Epona if Epona and Khoga continue targeting Revali. |
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Post by Zelda on Jun 1, 2020 0:22:49 GMT -5
I agree about Revali. So currently: Kohga is voting for Urbosa Epona is double voting for Revali & playing half-idol Urbosa is using her Safety without Power Mipha and Revali  ? Hypothetically: I think both Mipha and Revali should be voting for Epona or Urbosa here. Let's pretend they vote Urbosa because why not. Let's also pretend Kohga plays idol on Mipha. Urbosa probably plays half idol on Revali, probably vote blocker on uhh...Mipha maybe, probably Idol nullifier on Mipha and plays strikeback vote on herself? Let's see, that would mean Mipha has 1 vote from voting Urbosa Revali has 1.5 votes from voting Urbosa All Urbosa votes go bye bye. Revali goes as an accidental attempt to get rid of Mipha? I don't know. This vote is going to be a weird shake down of weirdness haha. |
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 1, 2020 0:50:38 GMT -5
She basically needs to communicate with people and decide what she wants. She can't keep all of her items to herself and expect this to work. She needs to tell Revali not to vote for her if she plays Urbosa's fury on herself, for example.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 1, 2020 0:57:32 GMT -5
If she wants Mipha gone, she can't block her vote, because she needs to use Urbosa's fury against her.
I don't see a path for her to take out Mipha without communicating with Revali. She probably needs Revali to vote Mipha and then she can use Urbosa's fury to get another vote against Mipha and vote block Epona. And nullify Mipha too I guess.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 1, 2020 0:59:52 GMT -5
Her miscalculation might be that she doesn't realize Epona has Sidon's vote, and so she only thinks there's one other vote there and two will be enough.
Honestly she might be better off just not using any items, since if she plays them and doesn't get what she wants, that's a bad look, especially since she sat on them all this time while she wasn't always getting her way.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 1, 2020 1:01:12 GMT -5
Like those items could have been used to save Oven or to prevent the tie on Kass which allowed the item that killed Oven to get passed to Epona, for example. She just needed to use the vote blocker and she didn't, so if she uses it now, it makes her look worse.
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Post by Zelda on Jun 1, 2020 9:26:27 GMT -5
Yeah Revali voting Urbosa's not a good look.
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Post by Zelda on Jun 1, 2020 9:39:17 GMT -5
Let's see...if Mipha votes Urbosa and Kohga doesn't use the immunity idol on Revali...I think Revali just goes. The only other way he'd have a shot is if Urbosa uses a strikeback vote on Revali and a half idol on Revali which is a lot of things on Revali I don't think would happen.
I doubt that happens...but if it did and she used the vote blocker on Epona, we'd have a weird .5 to .5 tie between Epona and Revali.
I honestly don't know why Urbosa doesn't just publicly state she's using an idol and to vote Epona here. I'm fairly confident she would get her way.
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Post by Zelda on Jun 1, 2020 9:42:57 GMT -5
Oh wait there's another possibility. She could also use the nullifier on Epona and send Epona home 1 to .5 in the above scenario I pointed out.
That would be epic but would require her to play every item correctly, and none of them know Epona has the double vote.
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Post by King Hyrule on Jun 1, 2020 9:55:55 GMT -5
Like those items could have been used to save Oven or to prevent the tie on Kass which allowed the item that killed Oven to get passed to Epona, for example. She just needed to use the vote blocker and she didn't, so if she uses it now, it makes her look worse. This I agree with, like she had so much power to shape the game and has been holding onto it to protect herself instead, but at the same time I feel like some Jury members might be too bitter if she reshaped the game too much just purely from the items. On another note, I feel like if I was on the Jury, I'd struggle to vote for Kohga because I wouldn't understand why he waited so long to block Urbosa from having immunity. Given the number of Idols in the game, it'd be foolish to hope Urbosa doesn't have one and thus he needed to get rid of her idol earlier by arrowing her earlier. |
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Post by Zelda on Jun 1, 2020 9:56:25 GMT -5
Urbosa just played the half idol on Revali.
It's a start but she would need to do some incredible stuff as it's still 1-0 for Revali at the moment.
Like I said, the lack of knowledge on the double vote, and Revali voting into an idol is NOT good.
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Post by Zelda on Jun 1, 2020 11:12:38 GMT -5
Huh. If Kohga plays the idol on revali that actually makes this interesting and would be a slam dunk move for kohga, as on the revote only he and Revali would vote between mipha and epona...
That being said if Revali pulls this off that would be an incredible game move on his part giving him at least some agency at ftc.
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Post by Roscoe on Jun 1, 2020 11:27:53 GMT -5
Would either of those be strong moves that they could take credit for? It seems like the main catalyst for either of those succeeding would be Urbosa playing the half-idol on Revali.
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