Ancient Oven
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Post by Ancient Oven on May 27, 2020 22:40:15 GMT -5
The idol btw. I guess I'm the only person who still reads all the flavor text because if you go to the bottom of the Welcome post in Lost Woods. There's a link to the Master Sword. It's literally right there, you just click it and post I pull the Blade.
The Divine Trial tribe had the same idol and everyone assumed Kass had it as well for some reason. Kass was the poster child for being blamed for everything.
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Magda
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Post by Magda on May 28, 2020 9:54:27 GMT -5
Kohga has the Power idol, Kohga/Epona have half an Exile idol each. One of Kohga/Epona/Urbosa has the Divine Beast one. No idea where the other two are or where they came from but ima assume the auction. holy moly
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Kass
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Post by Kass on May 28, 2020 11:32:53 GMT -5
Quick overview of all the players from my perspective: Epona - the biggest player left in the game by far from a perceived threat perspective. In the connections round, Sidon and I compiled a list of who was in everyone's top 5, and Epona was in every single one we collected, which was everyone except Oven/Oaki. I think that round worked heavily against her because everyone found out just how centrally connected she was, and yet most everyone *still* didn't want to target her until this last round. It's clear that since battle lines were drawn last round, she's lost some standing in the tribe and Revali/Urbosa/Mipha are all now willing to vote for her. But I think if she makes it to the end, she probably gets my vote just for making it there after being so clearly dominant. I feel like it's more likely she gets cut by her allies at F5 or F4 if she makes it through this vote.
Urbosa - I'm not entirely sure what to think of Urbo. People (Sidon and Kohga mainly) thought she was at the head of this Oven/Urbo/Revali trio and was calling all the shots, which would be my impression too but I never saw any direct evidence of that. She's fully aware of the target she has on her back though - she told me she knew she was going home on Popular if she hadn't won immunity, which was true - and has pulled out the immunities she needed to win to keep herself off the block. I *think* she was responsible for talking Mipha over to her side and pulling her away from Sidon too, which was a huge move.
Mipha - Now I've had time to calm down and am slightly less salty about being sent home, I respect her game a lot more. Having been voted out will always be a huge point against her in my eyes, but she absolutely made the right move in flipping against Sidon/myself, because we were far more aligned with Kohga/Epona than with her and (I at least, I don't know about Sidon) would likely have voted her out the moment she was open. I don't think she's in great standing in the eyes of the tribe as a whole, but that was always going to be the case one way or another, and it helps her in that I think most of the living players see her as something of a goat and would take her to the end with them if it's an option. But her immunity results mean she might be cut earlier than that just because of the risk of an F2.
Kohga - In my eyes, he's playing by far the best game, but that's possibly just because I had more of an insight into his game than I did most of the other players. He's in tight with Epona to the point where if anyone does want to target him, they go 'wait, Epona is more of a threat' and go after her instead, but he's got good enough relationships with (almost) everybody that nobody really wants to target him anyway. He got the Power idol and when Mipha came back into the game and tried to blackmail him over it, he managed to talk her down from doing so - something that still seemed to be working when I exited, despite the fact he was obviously targeting her for both rounds she was in the game. I would not be surprised at all if he makes F3, although I think in order for him to win my vote he needs to make sure Epona isn't there with him.
Revali - I know next to nothing about Revali's game. It feels like he might be in a very similar position to Kohga, in that Kohga is hiding a strong game behind a huge Epona shield and Revali might be doing the same with an Urbosa shield. The key difference in my eyes is that a fair number of people had no problem voting for Revali - that may have been due to Urbosa having immunity (downside of using a challenge threat as your shield), but none of Sidon/Kohga/Epona were even slightly opposed to the vote when it came up. I wouldn't be surprised to see him make it to the end but unless he does something big himself, he'd be overshadowed by any of Urbo/Epona/Kohga and maybe Sidon in my eyes.
Sidon - I feel like Sidon's a player who just feels like a threat regardless of what he's doing because of the way he's doing it. I'm not sure how exactly to explain that? But I guess it's got a lot to do with how obvious he is about making the moves he's trying to make - like trying to pocket Mipha in a way that had literally everyone in the game knowing about it, and pushing the Oven vote hard and openly in that same round. Nobody had Sidon in their F3s as far as I was aware, although several wanted to take him to F5 or F4 so that he would be the easy boot. I don't know how I feel about that. In a sense, he will have impressed me by making it to the end after being seen that way, but in another I don't think I can actually point to anything and say 'Sidon is playing a good game' in the same way I can about every other player in some respect or another. The combination of being seen as a big threat and nobody being particularly averse to targeting you is not a good one.
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Ancient Oven
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Post by Ancient Oven on May 28, 2020 14:17:00 GMT -5
To contribute my item knowledge: Sidon has an extra vote. Urbosa has the Fifth Beast Idol and my idol nullifier. Urbosa passed me a Fire Arrow which made you immune to rocks (sorry Kass <.< ) that I left the game holding. Epona and Hunnie were in my F6 but didn't answer my calls.
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Ancient Oven
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Post by Ancient Oven on May 28, 2020 19:28:03 GMT -5
Hey Impa a completely theoretical question What happens if everyone at a tribal council is immune?
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Post by Impa on May 28, 2020 19:29:42 GMT -5
Well Ancient Oven, wouldn't you know it, we just answered that here: Rules update: {23a} IF at any point in the game ALL players are ineligible to be voted for. We will end the TC, any items played at that TC will count as being played for and will be lost. We then go into a fresh new round and a new challenge (an already created backup challenge) All players will play for immunity as per normal and then we go into a TC as per normal {23b} IF at any point in the game ALL BUT 2 players are ineligible to be voted for (and they are tied for votes), we will go to a revote. If in the revote it is still a tie then the 2 players who are tied for will go straight into the fire-making challenge.
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Oaki
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Post by Oaki on May 29, 2020 7:36:48 GMT -5
im going to HAVE A STROKE WHY DID YOU ALL HATE ME SO MUCH I didn't hate you at all. But Patricia and I had our bonding moment during the challenge I was throwing and I thought had better connections. I wasn't super sure what to do (I forgot what vote I had put in my confessional during that tribal) but your idol basically confirmed what I had to do.
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Kass
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Post by Kass on May 30, 2020 19:06:41 GMT -5
"oh and epona! me/revali/kohga/mipha/urbosa tried to blindside you last round while you thought the vote was on mipha."
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Ancient Oven
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Post by Ancient Oven on May 30, 2020 19:08:53 GMT -5
Somehow despite actually voting for Epona I wasn't a part of that?
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Post by Kass on May 30, 2020 19:22:30 GMT -5
Oh, fun fact I forgot to mention Kohga has an arrow that prevents a player from competing in the immunity challenge for the next round. So, I assume at least, there's no way Urbo has an immunity run all the way.
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Post by Ancient Oven on May 30, 2020 19:32:16 GMT -5
He told me about it but said he was afraid to use it. I told him to give me the Ancient Arrow so it can say "Oven shoots Urbosa" and I'd do it myself at F6!
Unless the Bomb Arrow is another idol nullifier, she just uses her idol here.
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Riju
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Post by Riju on May 31, 2020 23:40:26 GMT -5
I know people probably think I’m going to vote for Mipha no matter what but honestly I want to vote for whoever played the best game demonstrating power, courage, and wisdom. I’m actually feeling bored a bit and am waiting for some major shake ups to happen. I get that a lot of conversations are in PM’s now and we aren’t going to see a lot displayed publicly, but wow I’m ready to be amazed by someone!
Normally at this point in the game I feel like I have a good understanding of who is left. I know I’m sounding like a bit of a broken record but what I know about most of these players is NOT from firsthand experience. I super appreciate everyone taking the time to share their perspective on who is playing a great game...but that’s just it for me: your perspective. So while it’s helpful to have those insights, I feel like there is going to be bias there and I am going to really have to weed through all of that prior to casting my vote. I anticipate that I will not have my mind made up until after we hear from them directly from them during FTC.
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Post by Prince Sidon on Jun 1, 2020 1:39:23 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I have it down to my top two for now for who I'd vote for.
After some time away, I'm less mad at Kohga. He could've stuck his neck out for me, like I did for other people...but he was playing the same game I was. Having me at the end doesn't really work for him, so I get why he did it. I think Kohga has played a great game in the middle, floating when he needed to and ultimately waiting until the time was right to secure his final 3.
Epona 100% deserves to win this game if she gets the end, but I don't think she will. She was a master of the social game and was able to use items strategically to gain alliances that stuck. Conversely, Urbosa played zero social game whatsoever and just ignored people until they were useful for her because she didn't need to. It's impressive that she won as many immunities/challenges as she did, but when there's no evidence of any other gameplay happening for me, it doesn't mean much.
That leaves the rest.
Mipha came back in as hard as she could, god bless her, but the fact is she was so disconnected that she got voted out in the first place. I'd even put Mipha getting blindsided as more damning than Oaki or Oven, because at least those two happened on a small tribe of five where it only took one person to flip. Mipha got blindsided in a round of like 13 people. That's a black mark, no matter what. Had Oven or Oaki made it to the end, I wouldn't hold this mantle of "but you got voted out" against them. But those two has less room to maneuver. Mipha had the whole game wide open and still went home.
Revali... I still don't know what he has done all game. If anyone can enlighten me, that'd be fantastico.
So right now, I think I'd rank my favorites as:
Epona > Kohga > Revali > Urbosa > Mipha.
I know a lot of people here are all "rah rah returnee" or whatever, but I don't think the connections made in redemption should outweigh how poorly she played the game. The only reason she has any support here is BECAUSE she fucked up so massively during the game.
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Post by Pelison on Jun 1, 2020 2:57:00 GMT -5
So if we're doing this now, I'm happy to contribute. Being a pre-merge vote-out, I'm going to be leaning on FTC speeches but I'll talk about my thoughts on the F5.
Revali: I feel like a lot of people are down on Revali, but when I was on a tribe with him and Oaki, I actually felt pretty good about both of them. I liked Revali a lot, I don't know what he's done in the game but I basically don't know what anyone has done in the game since I was gone so early.
Kohga: the one person I was never on an actual tribe with, so my impression of him will probably be most shaped by FTC. We talked briefly at the round of 15, and it was cordial, but that doesn't mean much. I'm very open to hearing about his game though.
Epona: I liked Epona a lot on the original Wisdom tribe, though we never really connected after that. What people have said about him in jury seems positive as a winner. I wonder if Urbosa saving him makes her think that she has a leg up on him in FTC, because I'd be inclined to think otherwise.
Mipha: I probably liked Mipha the most on our original tribe, but my feelings are similar to Sidon's, like she made it to merge, got voted out, so what's the reason to vote for her? I can certainly imagine a potential argument that would sway me here, but I feel like Urbosa is counting on her being a goat and she's counting on votes from Resurrection countering that. I'll need to hear a story that's more than just "I fought my way back into the game and made it to the end".
Urbosa: I don't care for Mike Holloway as a winner but I also think Chrissy Hofbeck was robbed, so this could be an interesting proposition. I definitely need to hear some argument from her about how she used her immunity in the post-merge to her advantage strategically to get the people to the end that she wanted there. If she gets rid of Epona, that probably helps her case a lot.
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Ancient Oven
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Post by Ancient Oven on Jun 1, 2020 4:25:22 GMT -5
Epona 100% deserves to win this game if she gets the end, but I don't think she will. She was a master of the social game and was able to use items strategically to gain alliances that stuck. Conversely, Urbosa played zero social game whatsoever and just ignored people until they were useful for her because she didn't need to. It's impressive that she won as many immunities/challenges as she did, but when there's no evidence of any other gameplay happening for me, it doesn't mean much. And yet Urbosa spent a lot of time socializing with me, Mipha and Revali shoring up our alliances while Epona is the one not replying to my DM's for a day. You feel like Urbosa had no social game because she didn't have it with you. Because you were her target. Fair from your PoV but not true of what she's doing with everyone else. It amuses me that as befitting two people on completely different sides we had the opposite interactions with Urbosa and Epona. Don't worry about not being decided Riju. I think its good for jurors who might've not met a finalist or two to have open minds. In the end its their games so the onus to present themselves favorably is on them.
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