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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 3, 2020 1:14:05 GMT -5
I actually am rooting for Master Khoga to win this, maybe that's unpopular. But tbh I think he's played an overall better game than Urbosa. Urbosa has had better reads on things and obviously slayed the challenges, but in terms of enacting plans and having social control, I think Master Khoga has been better and had a more clear path to the end for longer. Also Khoga feels like an underdog now, which I'm a sucker for. You can tell how much he really wants it
I'm also not sure if Urbosa wins if she makes it to the end, and as much as I like Mipha, I do not find her to be a great winner, though I will say that I respect her and Revali a lot for how they've carried themselves these past few rounds while Sidon and Khoga got angry and frustrated. I actually much prefer Revali as a winner, and next to Mipha and Urbosa I think he has a case, but I doubt he'll be given a chance.
If Urbosa does make it to the end, we'll have a very exciting FTC and it will be interesting to see if the Jury rewards her game, plus it's just historic to see someone be Immune for as long as she was and make it to the end, so that's cool though.
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Post by Korgu Chideh on Jun 3, 2020 1:20:22 GMT -5
agree!
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Post by Zelda on Jun 3, 2020 1:44:38 GMT -5
I personally would love an Urbosa win just because she really went for it this game. Her decisions have lead her to this point and I would be very excited to see a Revali vs Mipha vs Urbosa finale because I think it would really be just fascinating over all to see who the jury puts up for. Will they vote the underdog who kinda just was there and lucky, but was social with everyone? Will they vote for the person who returned after being idoled out and slid underneath people's radars, but misplayed two idols and generally hasn't actually executed a specific move? Will they vote for someone who went in on a gamble during the auction and came out victorious along with an unprecedented number of endgame immunity wins, but whose social game is seen as lacking and generally a lot of people aren't sure about? I think it would make for a much more exciting finale. I think if Kohga makes it...he's just going to win, which although he's played a much better game than I originally gave him credit for, I don't think it will be as interesting of a finale because I think he beats any of the other three. But I could be wrong! I've been wrong before haha. Just see my epically failure of a prediction list
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Post by Korgu Chideh on Jun 3, 2020 1:47:21 GMT -5
The winner, is democracy
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Post by Impa on Jun 3, 2020 1:58:31 GMT -5
I would be satisfied with any of these winners. They've all played really hard in a variety of ways, and I can not wait to see what they all bring to the end game here. I don't think any of them just cleansweeps, and it's gonna be a fight, and I am here for it.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 3, 2020 2:06:48 GMT -5
I definitely think it's a more exciting finale if Urbosa is there, because we really don't know how her game is going to be perceived, but I do think there's a world where Mipha beats Khoga, so I agree with Impa, I don't see it as a clean sweep.
Even Revali I think has played a good game and especially against Urbosa and Mipha, his game stands out as the more traditionally good option, though not sure the Jury sees it that way. Against Kohga, I think Kohga steals some of his only potential votes, so I actually think he should want to be against Urbosa.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 3, 2020 2:16:45 GMT -5
Also I think giving Urbosa credit for the auction and framing it as some sort of move on her part is kind of weak...like yeah, you should try for items and she bid well, but it's impossible to know what other people are going to bid and she got really, really lucky. With items, it's more about how well you use them than the mere fact that you have them, and with her items, honestly in the grand scheme of things they impacted nothing, apart from saving Epona for one round and potentially giving her a path to the end without winning final Immunity, but Khoga winning the last IC rendered that totally irrelevant. I guess she prevented other people from having them, but idk, I don't think her use of them was that interesting or impressive.
I really dislike the characterization of her making some huge move in the auction though, like...she did what any reasonable person who didn't feel in immediate danger should have done in that situation, and luckily for her it worked, but she would be here anyway, like it's her Immunity wins and idol play (even though she didn't play it, if she didn't have it she would have gone last round) that got her to this point, so the auction is kind of a moot point, or if anything a negative because of the missed opportunities.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 3, 2020 2:19:39 GMT -5
Also you say her decisions got her to this point, but have they though? What choice did she make at any point since the final ten that mattered at all? Her choices might change how she's seen by the Jury, but that's it.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 3, 2020 2:21:49 GMT -5
I do think she would be a worthy winner, but the trait I like most about her, how perceptive she is, honestly had a relatively small impact on the game and I get why the Jury doesn't see it and thinks she's just Mike Holloway.
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Post by Roscoe on Jun 3, 2020 3:33:29 GMT -5
That's the thing about Urbosa. She did a bunch of things that seem impossible. But very few of them mattered outside of the direct immunity wins.
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Post by Roscoe on Jun 3, 2020 3:54:31 GMT -5
Revali is correct, jigsaw for final immunity is anti-fun. Though I am amused that he starts with 'I see a jigsaw and I know I'm not winning' when that's the exact challenge that saved him Round One.
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Post by Roscoe on Jun 3, 2020 4:18:20 GMT -5
If this was a puzzle on its own then yeah it's a pretty shitty FIC, but given the very clear clues of the 2 previous challenges, this was obviously something that was going to factor in to the endgame and thus a wise player would plan and prepare for it. Fwiw I'm not quite sure how any of Kohga/Mipha/Revali could have prepared for stopping Urbosa when she's had immunity (or the choice of immunity last round) every round since Merge started.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 3, 2020 5:44:56 GMT -5
Also if you're someone who's bad at puzzles, what are you supposed to do to prepare? Practice jigsaw puzzles a lot? Be more goaty so that people will take you? I guess you could vote off the people who are best a puzzles, but that only goes so far. I don't think I could come up with three people on all of MS I'd feel confident I could beat in a jigsaw, let only three people in a specific game who also need to be the people I want in my F4.
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 3, 2020 5:46:16 GMT -5
Also I'm not winning most challenges though, so in my particular case it doesn't matter that much either way lmao
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Post by Saas Ko'sah on Jun 3, 2020 5:49:33 GMT -5
I also think it's kind of funny to say that something was "obviously" going to happen and players should have known to prepare for it when the entire premise of this game is subverting player expectations. You could just as easily say that Urbosa is a fool for not collecting more rupees, since she should have known they'd come into play except...oh wait they didn't
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