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Post by Oaki on Jun 3, 2020 8:40:27 GMT -5
My thing is that I was working tightly with like five people who I had explicitly thrown out the name of. As in, I had PMs from people who had blindsided me warning me to play an advantage. This game was hardly a game where relationships were getting obliterated because of one failed vote plan.
But then there's a difference between people panicking because he'll play an idol and Urbosa panicking? Because if there is the short-term potential for backfire, it's the immune person who's started it. So you can steer the redirection away. Be annoyed that Kass found out the plan and so he could play an idol, don't be annoyed that your name was attached to it and then say you want nothing to do with it. Especially since she explicitly asked me to find people who would do it? Like, being annoyed that he could find out about the plan and being annoyed that your name is on it are two different things? And the latter given the cast we had feels a bit weird. At least from my experience with the players.
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Post by Ancient Oven on Jun 3, 2020 9:32:32 GMT -5
I think there's a difference between the good relationships that Popular people had with each other and the nowhere to go but up relationships we had to settle for because no one liked us existing. Your optimism in the face of adversity is so fascinating.
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Post by Oaki on Jun 3, 2020 20:05:38 GMT -5
Optimism in the face of adversity is the only thing I've got going for me, my mechanical endothermic cooking appliance.
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Post by Prince Sidon on Jun 3, 2020 22:05:44 GMT -5
oh yeah urbosa would always tell me "well i know my days are numbered so i told people if they wanted to push and blame it on me they could" which is def not owning your own game
like i even came to her to be like aight, we're at each other's throats, let's not pretend, let's just talk about bullshit so it's not so awkward and she kept up the "nooooo i never want you gone sidon! it's everyone else that does!"
like if you're in a position of safety and power, own it. use it. don't hide behind everyone else bc once you get to the end it just looks like you didn't do anything.
plus i have a hard time giving points to "who could no life challenges and idol hunts the most" being the one critical factor in her gameplay
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Post by Pelison on Jun 3, 2020 23:02:06 GMT -5
plus i have a hard time giving points to "who could no life challenges and idol hunts the most" being the one critical factor in her gameplay I can understand if your interactions with her left a bad taste in your mouth, but I always bristle a little at this kind of criticism. If it's the lack of other aspects to her game, that's fair, but it feels shitty to fault someone for being good at challenges/idols.
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Post by Prince Sidon on Jun 3, 2020 23:39:45 GMT -5
I dunno, challenge skill is something. But like, Urbosa literally told me she didn't sleep an entire 24 hours to put together a custom Excel database to do the Inventory challenge. Or claims that she spent like 16 hours or something doing jigsaws.
I appreciate challenge skill but to me there's a deleniation between challenges that can be won purely on skill, and challenges that can be won purely because you had less to do IRL and could put more time into it.
Back when I played, endurance challenges were a thing, which were the most blatant form of "whoever has the most time wins". And from what I understand, those have been done away with because they clearly weren't fun, or necessarily equal.
I can respect Urbosa's dominance in the challenge/advantage department, but it's hard for me personally to respect that as a winning game because it's not something anyone can pull off.
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Post by Prince Sidon on Jun 3, 2020 23:50:05 GMT -5
Also not a dig at the mods -- I recognize it's probably hard as fuck to come up with two dozen or so challenges that could all be won on pure skill or strategy or social game. I doubt they expected "spending all night not sleeping and building a searchable Excel database" as a viable strategy to cheese the Inventory challenge.
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Post by Pelison on Jun 3, 2020 23:55:55 GMT -5
I can definitely get that perspective, like if you have two people who are equally determined but one has all the time in the world and the other has a fulltime job or kids or whatever else, it's frustrating. I'm still disinclined to hold that against someone though, like if having that time and utilizing it is a knock against someone, are we saying that she should have put less effort in?
I definitely hope I'm not coming across as necessarily actively advocating here, because I think people are totally justified however they want to vote, just wanted to offer my perspective. I've said from the start that it'll come down to FTC for me no matter how things shake out.
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Post by Prince Sidon on Jun 4, 2020 0:20:42 GMT -5
I hear you. I think the fact that Urbosa was in serious jeopardy heading through merge is what seals it for me -- if all you have to go in is that you had more time to spend on challenges to save yourself when you were in danger every round if you didn't win, that's a red flag for me.
Hell, if it was even just one round where she went balls out to try to win because she knew it was a crucial round, that's fine, I'd vote for a winner who showed that dedication.
It's a tricky gray area, one that I'm particularly sensitive to because between life and work, even though I'm only part time right now, I would NEVER have the total free time to even come close to what Urbosa had.
It's just the nature of a game like this, over a long time, on a forum. People who have more day to day free time will always be advantaged. Hell, time zones are a thing that impact it as well. (TBH, it's why I think weekend-long shorter games are more fair for people). But it is what it is -- the format advantages people with more free time. The fact that Patty got targeted for time zone differences round one is bullshit, but I'm not sure what to even suggest to fix it.
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Post by Ancient Oven on Jun 4, 2020 2:50:37 GMT -5
Was she actually in danger though? She had a stolen half idol and an idol unused to cover F6 and F5 shenganigans. We already saw the threat of having them stopped her from getting votes. I imagine at F7 you guys would have tried blindsiding her instead of me, so that's one round. F8 wouldn't it have still gone the same way, just our side having to back down and let Revali go? It's not like we knew Urbosa robbed the auction back then. F9 is probably still between me and Oaki because of returnee fears. I'd be curious to hear what Epona and the last juror think about that.
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Post by Kass on Jun 4, 2020 4:35:10 GMT -5
The fact that Patty got targeted for time zone differences round one is bullshit, but I'm not sure what to even suggest to fix it. Not to contest the rest of your post - I agree that's a problem - but that wasn't exactly how it went down. Pat got targeted because I told a bunch of people that she was the best target, and then I used that to get her and Teebo on the same page to go after Revali by claiming he was pitching them against each other. ...I overplayed a fair bit round one. It's why I took a big step back when the swap happened; I realised if I did anything else like that I was probably going to get premerged
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Post by Magda on Jun 4, 2020 9:34:04 GMT -5
patricia also got consensus targeted for missing the whole first day while everyone else was getting along well. time zones could have played a part there but as patty mentioned previously, they had rl isuses that kept them off that first day
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Post by Epona on Jun 4, 2020 10:54:13 GMT -5
Was she actually in danger though? She had a stolen half idol and an idol unused to cover F6 and F5 shenganigans. We already saw the threat of having them stopped her from getting votes. I imagine at F7 you guys would have tried blindsiding her instead of me, so that's one round. F8 wouldn't it have still gone the same way, just our side having to back down and let Revali go? It's not like we knew Urbosa robbed the auction back then. F9 is probably still between me and Oaki because of returnee fears. I'd be curious to hear what Epona and the last juror think about that. Revali never would have been the target if Kohga and I had won the F8 immunity and I will die mad about that one
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Post by Prince Sidon on Jun 4, 2020 19:14:43 GMT -5
oh look urbosa crushed another jigsaw challenge
why the fuck didn't they try to take her out last round instead of you epona. sigh. morons.
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Post by Epona on Jun 4, 2020 19:23:14 GMT -5
To save me the embarrassment of submitting a four hour puzzle time obviously
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